hymnia: (Sleeping fairy)
I finished listening to the main part of The Return of the King. I just have a little bit of the appendices left. The last few chapters made me think of some more tribonds. I'm not entirely satisfied with the first one, as I think Rose/Nine is not quite as close a fit as the other two. The first two are so close I almost think this incident in HDM may have been a conscious imitation of the one in ROTK. HDM is full of references to Lewis, after all, so it's not too hard to believe there might be some references to Tolkien thrown in as well. Anyway...bonus points if you can both guess the connection AND come up with a better third example besides Rose/Nine.

1. Eowyn and Faramir...Will and Lyra...Rose and the Ninth Doctor

2. Sam Gamgee...Neville Longbottom...E.T.

After writing all that, it occurs to me that Kyo/Tohru might be a better third example for #1. But I'll leave it as is, and still leave open the invitation to provide other, possibly better, examples. I'm still not fully satisfied with that anyway, as I'd really prefer a third example that is also from a prose novel.

Joie
hymnia: (Remus/Tonks)
The Harry Potter shipping war has, I think, forever changed the way I look at romantic subplots in any fiction I consume. Meet cute. UST. Show, don't tell. I learned these things from HP fandom, and primarily from the shipping debate corner of fandom. Now I find myself analyzing the ways in which writers do—or don't—signal romantic vibes between characters in all the fiction I come across with much more attention than I did before.

One common complaint I see across the many fandoms I've come to know since then—whether I dived in completely or just stuck in a toe—is that a canon pairing doesn't have enough “development”. And I want to take a moment to contest that complaint—not for any particular case, but as a general rule. That's not to say that I think such a complaint could never be valid. But I think it is a tired, overused complaint that often doesn't really take into account the full scope of what the author is trying to do.

The first problem with the complaint is that it doesn't take into account the role of romance in the story. If you're reading Twilight or watching Letters to Juliet your complaint about lack of development between a romantic pair would have more validity than if your media of choice is, say, The Lord of the Rings or Naruto. Romance clearly plays a larger role in some stories than in others; you can't expect an author to spend loads of time developing a romance when there's, for example, a war going on. Especially if the characters involved are supporting characters in a large cast. But even if one or both members of the pairing is a protagonist, only so much time can be devoted to the protagonist's romance.

The second problem is that “developing” a romantic subplot in a story where romance has a relatively small role requires tying it to the main plot, or at least to a larger plot line. Hogwarts doesn't have a school dance every year; instead, they have a special Yule Ball that is part of the Triwizard tournament and connects Harry's competitors in the tournament more closely to Harry and his friends. In HBP, the clues that Remus and Tonks like each other are hidden among general news from the war. This limits the amount of information that can be provided about each couple's interactions.

Often those who cry out for “development” will point to examples of stories in which the protagonist and his/her love interest—or else two co-protagonists—share some adventure and through it fall in love. That's all well and good as far as it goes. But it's unfair to expect every adventure story to take that route. This is where I, personally, appreciate a little touch of realism. In some stories, the protagonist pairs off with someone that they meet later in their adventure, or someone they left behind who didn't get to come on the adventure. Or perhaps two supporting characters who only interact a little bit on-screen or on-page while the adventure is going on pair off at some point. The fact is, these examples are much closer to the reality of how people meet and fall in love. The Speed method of romance is by far the exception rather than the rule in real life love stories. Most people meet and fall in love under far more mundane circumstances.

And such mundane circumstances are hard to tie to the main plot. A good example is the story of Arwen and Aragorn, which Tolkien chose to tell in an appendix because it didn't quite fit into the canon proper of LOTR. That's because their relationship was mainly established in quieter times, before the war of the ring began. The cinematic version found a way to work Aragorn and Arwen's relationship back into the main plot, but what worked for the film would not necessarily have worked for the already very dense storyline of the book.

The complaint of lack of “development” seems to set up a false dichotomy. Either the romance is fully integrated into the main plot, or the author is not “allowed” to pair those characters together. IMO, that is much too restrictive. I like romance. I want to see it happen in many different ways, not just the His Dark Materials model of love in the midst of struggle. I even enjoy having a pairing revealed as a “surprise twist” in the plot, as long as it's not involving a POV character, and as long as it doesn't “undo” another pairing that I enjoyed more. (And even then, sometimes I can forgive.) I think authors should be allowed to have a wide variety of options for including romantic subplots in their stories.

~~~


And now, some multi-fandom tribonds I came up with in the last day or so:

1. Faramir...Molly Weasley...Ron Weasley

2. Prince Zuko...Eowyn...Luke Skywalker

Joie
hymnia: (Intelligence (created by midgewood58))
Two of last night's tribonds have been solved and one has not. Thanks to everyone who made guesses and especially [livejournal.com profile] mrs_bombadil and [livejournal.com profile] rhrsoulmates who posted the correct answers first. Here's a hint on the remaining one:

3. Draco...Dolohov...Aberforth

They all [blank] someone's [blank]. (Keep it clean!!!)

Joie

ETA: I thought of another one:

4. Filch...Arabella Figg...Umbridge
hymnia: (Intelligence (created by midgewood58))
Because I don't have my Pottermore email yet, I have to find some other way to amuse myself. Come out and play, plz?

1. Harry's wand...the Whomping Willow...Hermione
2. Harry & Ginny...Remus & Tonks...George & Angelina
3. Draco...Dolohov...Aberforth

Joie
hymnia: (Lupin)
Thought of another one:

Potterwatch...the Marauder's Map...Advanced Potion-Making (Snape's/Harry's copy)

Joie
hymnia: (H-G owls)
Harry Potter dubond:

Charity Burbage and Professor Dumbledore

Anyone know what they have in common (that no other character, as far as we know, shares)?

Joie
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The election coverage is not exactly nail-biting right now, but should anyone want a distraction, I HAS TRIBONDZ!

Various fandoms involved, including HP, Avatar, anime, and more.

In case you don't know how to play, the game goes like this: I name three things, you tell me what those three things have in common.

1. Trapdoor in Shrieking Shack, window sill at 4 Privet Drive, the Sword of Gryffindor
2. Peck, House, Goyle
3. One (maybe two) episode(s) of Fruits Basket, much of season 2 of Bleach, all of Avatar:TLA
4. Toshiro Hitsugaya from Bleach, Katara from Avatar:TLA, Vanilla

The first two are courtesy of my parents; the second two are my own design, born of my new-found Avatar love, naturally.

By the way, I have now completed the Avatar series, so do not hesitate to tell me everything you could possibly dream of telling me about how much Avatar is love, and also to POINT ME to any such discussion and general geekiness in that vein, including your own past LJ entries, or even your friends' public entries, for those of you who fell for Avatar before I did (I've already devoured all of [livejournal.com profile] peachespig's posts on the subject and I want MOAR). I hope to post some in-depth thoughts later (tomorrow, I hope), but I think it's getting too late to start on that tonight. :(

Joie
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I have many things I would like to say about Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, but I'm not quite ready to say them yet. For now, I'll just say that I loved the book and thought it was a very fitting ending for the series.

And in the meantime, I have three DH-inspired tribond threezers to share. These do all incorporate new info from DH, so beware of spoilers in the comments.

1. Harry...Neville...Ron
2. Voldemort...Snape...Buckbeak
3. Snape...Harry...Tonks

ETA: You all seem to have caught on to #1-2 right away, but #3 has stumped you. Hint: [livejournal.com profile] rhrsoulmates had a guess that was on the right track.

Joie

Tribond!

May. 20th, 2007 09:45 pm
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It's been a long time since I've posted a tribond question, but I had an idea for one last night that I had to share.

For those of you who have never played the game before, the goal is to find the common factor between three things.

Here's the question, complete with visual aids )

So...what do they have in common?

Also, you know those "100 Greatest [fill in the blank]" film lists? Well, this one that [livejournal.com profile] connielane pointed out is AWESOME.

Joie
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Do I need to change my religion? Or could it be that this quizmaker has no idea what my religion is really like? Considering that Scientology is futher along the "Reason" spectrum than Judeo-Christian beliefs, I'm gonna go with the latter. *rolls eyes*

Joie, the...Humanist? )

And don't forget to give my recent Tribond posts a try!

Joie
hymnia: (Default)
Okay, I've got one of my two Tribonds rounded out now:

Perelandra...The Princess Bride (the novel, not the movie)...The Blair Witch Project

Joie
hymnia: (Default)
I hate it when I get a great idea for a Tribond and can only think of two things that fit it! Like these:

Perelandra...The Princess Bride (the novel, not the movie)...???

Bellatrix Lestrange...the Sheriff of Nottingham (Alan Rickman's version)...???

I'd be so pleased if anyone could guess the relationship, and--better still--suggest a third to complete the Threezer for each of these. I just know there must be someone on my flist brilliant enough to manage it. ;)

Joie
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To do list for today:

-Update checkbook registry, pay BCBS bill
-Write post for "Just Harry" debate
-Answer questions for interview meme
-Clean room
-Email dates I can do ESL seminars
-Copy back of ALAS tests to turn in for ESL student files
-Watch ER

I got home from work at 3:20. How many of these items have I done? Zero. I got online for about an hour, and then I slept from 4:30 to 7:30. GAH! It's not like it's even a very strenuous to do list. What is wrong with me? No, don't answer that.

*sigh* At least I updated the Harry Potter Tribond thread at FAP last night, which I've been meaning to do for about a month. Anybody want to play?

Joie
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The DADA teacher...Stanley Yelnats...Captain Barbosa
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Frodo Baggins...Hector Zeroni (Holes)...Hermione Granger

Must. Quit. Hitting. Refresh. Button. Must. Go. To bed. *yawn*

G'nite.

Joie
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my last round of Tribond questions. You all did very well, but [livejournal.com profile] sannalim gets top marks for correctly answering seven threezers.

There were three questions that no one answered correctly, so I thought I would post a few hints about those, plus some new threezers. Here they are…

More Tribond )

Meh. I may be scraping the bottom of the barrel with some of these. They are not the cleverest threezers I’ve ever written. *shrugs* But they’ll do for now.

Must go work on Prophecy theory now…

Joie

Tribond!

Jun. 30th, 2004 03:32 pm
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Here are some more old Tribond questions that I wrote for the FAP thread. I don’t think I used any of these at [livejournal.com profile] wahleecon, but if I’ve misremembered, forgive me. Anyway, there’s still plenty of folx on my flist who missed the Tribond games at WC, so even if I messed up, they’ll be new to at least some of you.

ETA: It occurred to me that some folx may not know what Tribond is. Basically, each Tribond question names three things that are related in some way. The object is to figure out the common thread. Here's an example:

Q: Christmas...Thanksgiving...H/Hr shippers
A: Pumpkin pie

Got it? [/edit]

1. Marietta...Gollum...The Cheat
2. Eloise Midgen...Moody...Neville
3. Christmas dinner in PS/SS...the Southeastern United States...an hors d’oeuvre platter
4. Mrs. Finnegan...Mr. Thomas...Mrs. Riddle
5. Harry...Lily...Dobby
6. Wingardium Leviosa...Venus...werewolves
7. Harry...Draco...Aunt Marge
8. Harry/Hermione...Dumbledore/M. Pomfrey...Remus/Tonks
9. Remus/Hermione...Remus/Ginny...Ron/Draco
10. Salazar Slytherin...Grima, son of Galmod...Lyra Belacqua
11. Peter Pettigrew...Frodo Baggins...Will Parry
12. Hagrid’s pumpkin patch...the doorway to 4 Privet Dr...Harry’s bedside in GT

Also, does anyone remember who came up with the one that was “Professor Flitwick...Cedric...Dudley”? I thought that was a really good one, and I was wondering if I could post it on the Tribond thread at FAP, as I believe it needs a bit of a revival. LMK if that's okay.

Joie

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